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Mr. Obama's Message

Post by KevinNSaisi on Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:29 am

Last night our country elected a great man as their President. Some people accept this, while others will have to be convinced over time.

In his speech, President-Elect Obama shared with us a vision for our country that is a true change from the status quo. He spoke of crossing party lines and working together to achieve greatness as a country. I believe that his election is the beginning of a transformation that will bring forth a new world filled with hope for the future. The vision he is inviting us all to share is powerful when embraced and shared on a global basis.

Over the past few decades, our town has experienced a dark period that pales in comparison to our country's woes, but was still significant. I believe that the turmoil we experienced recently was necessary as a part of the reformation of our community. The stormy period awakened those suffering from chronic apathy. It ignited the fire in people on both sides of the issues, and gave them a reason to care. This would not have likely occurred without the issues that arose.

Over time, most people have found it possible to put their differences behind them and work with those they once faught. Unfortunately, there is still a perception of the "we vs. they" dynamic in our town goverment. While I don't agree with everything done by our selectmen, I believe they were the best choice at the time. Had we elected any of the other candidates, we would not have made the progress that has been achieved.

The spirit of Mr. Obama's speech is already alive in our community. We have functional boards and committees that are making progress toward our future. We need even more enlightened people to be a part of the plan. We need to be able to discuss our differences and establish unified goals based upon sound logic and fiscal maturity. We need to each do our part to improve our community and help build it into a thriving community. Once all team members are a part of the positive process, our community will begin to flourish. It won't work without buy-in from the people of Rumford. No one person can do it all on their own.

I call on everyone to review the message of Mr. Obama's speech and look into yourself for that energy to be a part of the change. Once you find it, you won't be able to stop it, because it is too powerful. Let's direct our efforts together as a team to the task of making Rumford even better, and building prosperity for our families, friends and neighbors.

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Post by Timeout on Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:57 am

McCain delivered a classy concession speech - I was impressed with his model of concilliation and unity.

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Post by Timeout on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:05 am

KevinNSaisi wrote:While I don't agree with everything done by our selectmen, I believe they were the best choice at the time. Had we elected any of the other candidates, we would not have made the progress that has been achieved.

Kevin, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one...lol

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:40 am

I think Obama made a terrific acceptance speech; McCain's concession elicited my respect and admiration.
Today, I am more excited and hopeful than I've been in many years.

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:45 pm

Timeout wrote:
KevinNSaisi wrote:While I don't agree with everything done by our selectmen, I believe they were the best choice at the time. Had we elected any of the other candidates, we would not have made the progress that has been achieved.

Kevin, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one...lol

I would be happy to discuss the dynamics with you sometime. Smile

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:47 pm

Actually, my original post was about our community and how Mr. Obama's message relates to our community. I believe there is a different thread about the speeches.

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Post by Timeout on Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:37 pm

I don't see another thread about speeches...your post just made me think that McCain had the same message. I thought I was agreeing with you on that one.

As for dynamics, it depends on which election you are talking about. Believe it or not, I voted for Frank in '07. I also voted for Mark two years before that and for Arthur the year after. I would never vote for any of them again and did not vote for Mark a second time. I didn't vote for Jolene in '07 either...you know, we all have a right to our opinions and although I've heard many stories of many crimes from many people, I still get to make up my own mind...

Buccina had his faults but I would vote for him any time over the the three men I've named here. I do think the egos were too engaged for the town to move forward if both incumbents were returned. I absolutely think we would have made more forward progress if Buccina had been reelected with Cameron. It didn't go the way I thought it should. As Adley would say, "It is what it is." I accept that.

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:14 pm

Again Timeout, you prove me wrong. I scanned the current discussions quickly and failed to look at the content as I should.

However, I am curoius as to why the primary message of my comment goes without response.

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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:31 pm

Hi Kevin,

I've been off the forum lately due to work concerns taking way too much of my time. I have been trying to keep up with the reading though and felt I had to respond to your original message.

I love what you had to say and you said it very eloquently. I hope that this town, like the nation, can begin to put our differences behind us and work together. I'm not so naive to think things will always run smoothly. In fact, I believe some discord is a healthy thing.

What I hope for is that despite our differences, we can learn to treat each other with respect and conduct ourselves with dignity and honesty. I also hope that some of here will make themselves available for town service.

Fantastic job here Kevin, with this post and many others you've written of late. Let' keep working together to follow our nation into the future.

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Post by Timeout on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:36 pm

Kevin - I'm really not trying to prove you wrong...I thought you wrote an interesting piece. I am sick today (you can tell by the crabby quotient) and then I sprained my ankle...I know, wah, wah... but anyway, I scanned your piece early this morning and it certainly deserves more than a one-line response which was all I had time for.

I have been watching the news (since I'm now confined to the couch) and I hear a lot of talk about black people being empowered by Obama's achievement...so important for people to participate in their own government and feel like they can and do make a difference, that they will be heard and that they are accountable for making those differences. I agree with your thoughts on Rumford needing to buy into the process. Certainly discord can breed interest. This web site is a great way to find out what's important to people. No one person is in charge of the conversation here - people just have to continue throwing out their ideas and topics and see if it connects with someone else. I choose my topics - I haven't posted on casino even though I have strong views and I haven't posted on the presidential election...I prefer the "boring" topics of building codes, winterization and interpersonal dynamics...

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Post by xmashen on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:51 pm

Kevin, I too was moved by Obama's speech (who wasn't?). I am all for "reaching across the aisle" but there are a few people in the back of the church that that won't work with. If , by your post, you were hoping to welcome JSN(our own Sarah Palin)/TRR back into the familial bosom, I have to say that it's akin to letting the fox into the henhouse, the hawk into the pigeon coop, the snake into the glass cage of mice. I've reached out personally and found that it's useless. I would like to be optimistic, but it's not easy. I have hope now, for our country, but until we see some reconciliation from TRR, I still worry about Rumford.

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:51 pm

xmashen,
I wasn't implying that anyone specific be welcomed, rather I was stating that everyone should be welcomed. As long as we maintain a we-they attitude, we continue to build that anti-social capital. It doesn't take much effort to maintain peace. If you look at the posts here between various people, you see conversations based upon different viewpoints without the underlying hatred and overt personal attacks. When Jason left the company of RT and JSn, the people here put aside their feelings regarding past issues and accepted him. Why is it impossible for us to put aside negative feelings for others? As I stated, I don't agree with everything that is done by the selectmen. I often am peeved at their statements and their actions. However, despite my disagreement, I maintain a cordial relationship with all of them, and have visited most of them to discuss issues. What happened a few weeks back doesn't enter into the discussion. How they voted on any particular issue does not reflect upon how I interact with them. I beleive our town will be able to achieve more if we are willing to accept that the selectmen are human beings who make mistakes and sometimes make decisions for the wrong reasons. This doesn't mean that I will support any of them for re-election, but it does mean I can still speak with them and without one of us needing an antacid. If we cannot do this, we need to ask ourselves why, and find a way to work through our feelings (I know, easier said than done, but it is possible).

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Post by Timeout on Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:20 pm

Kevin, you're a better man than I am...lol...

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:48 pm

I just spent a half hour doing an analysis blah of our government including each member's function and reason for being on the board. Somehow, I lost it. Sad duh wall rage Crying or Very sad

Perhaps I will try again tomorrow.

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Post by Timeout on Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:15 pm

You've piqued my curiosity ... I'm still waiting for that analysis! I can see why you might have lost it trying to figure out what they do...lol...okay, I know that's not what you meant.

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:15 am


Okay, here it is:

Jim Thibodeau was Chairman for a decade and a half. During that time he held the line on the budget to the detriment of the community. Yes, taxes remained low, but the infastructure fell apart. Arthur Boivin ran against him and was successful. This was the beginning of the end of the dark ages for Rumford. When Mr. Thibodeau was not reelected, many felt that we, the citizens, could actually have a greater input into our government. The cloud of apathy and dispair began to show signs of light.

Upon Mr. Thibodeau's departure, a void in the informal power structure of our government occurred. The person who had directed the flow of town affairs had been removed and even though the formal structure provided for a replacement in the position, the informal power structure did not. This caused a power grab between a number of individuals. I believe that Ms. Lovejoy attempted to fill that void, but she was not chairman. Steve Eldridge attempted to acquire more authority in his position as Town Manager. Jim Rinaldo attempted to fulfil his duties as chairman, despite both of them.This caused a nunber of problems we won't get into here. However, it lead to Mr. Rinaldo not running and Ms. Lovejoy being defeated by Frank DiConzo and Brad Adley. The choices available in that election included two people who were highly involved in the turmoil, and two who were not. Many knew Mr. Adley as a friendly businessman who has ties to Black Mountain and other organizations. They saw Mr. DiConzo as a community minded referee with experience on the school board. This was more attractive to them than the alternative.

In this past election, the incumbants Greg Buccina and Mark Belanger were up for re-relection. However, Mr. Cameron used name recognition to sweep the ballot leaving Mr. Buccina and Mr. Belanger to compete for the remaining position. Despite voting in concert with Mr. DiConzo and Mr. Boivin, and a few mistakes along the way Mr. Belanger was well respected by some and liked by many. He maintained a strong level of support from the church community. Mr. Buccina who had been chairman, did not present well in the position. He often stated that he was confused by the rules and often appeared annoyed by opposing views. Many people recalled how he and Mr. Belanger had run together in their first election, and then run against each other for re-election. These factors caused enough citizens to vote against Mr. Buccina for him to not return. As for the other two candidates, Jason Thompson was alligned with Ron Theriault at the time, which lost him votes. Jeremy Vashaw was essentially an unknown who didn't work hard enough to introduce himself to the community.
When we look at the current board, Mr. Belanger and Mr. DiConzo are seen as a watchdogs, keeping an eye on the budget and stamping out wasteful spending. Mr. Adley is seen as a represenative of the business community and recreation. Mr. Cameron is seen as a monitor to assure that the board follows the rules of government. Mr. Boivin is the referee who keeps things from getting out of hand when things get feisty.

The formal power structure shows the board as a unit being in charge of the town. However, whenever you have a majority who have similar views, and mistrust between board members causing a lack of communication leading to comprimise, you will see the appearance of the majority being the informal power structure. While this is preferable to having a single person as the center of power, it is not healthy for the community. As much as I like Mr. Boivin, I believe our town would do better with a person who is more moderate between the two viewpoints. The perceived "three amigos" have done their job by bringing a certain level of change to our community. Mr. Cameron and Mr. Adley have done their job by keeping it from going too far. Now it is time for the voters to complete the process and elect someone who can make decisions on "both sides of the isle".

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Post by Timeout on Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:51 pm

Thank you Kevin, my response in BOLD

KevinNSaisi wrote:
Okay, here it is:

Jim Thibodeau was Chairman for a decade and a half. During that time he held the line on the budget to the detriment of the community. Yes, taxes remained low, but the infastructure fell apart. Arthur Boivin ran against him and was successful. (AGREE.) This was the beginning of the end of the dark ages for Rumford. When Mr. Thibodeau was not reelected, many felt that we, the citizens, could actually have a greater input into our government. The cloud of apathy and dispair began to show signs of light. (DISAGREE, FROM AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE IT APPEARED THAT THE CONCERNED CITIZENS WERE TRYING TO GET RID OF A MAN WHO DIDN'T WANT CASINO. THEY USED THE TOWN TAX COLLECTOR, MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE CHARTER AND BY-LAWS, GRANDSTANDING AND LITIGATION TO "SAVE THE TOWN". TO ME, THIS SIGNALLED THE BEGINNING OF THE DARK AGES.)

Upon Mr. Thibodeau's departure, a void in the informal power structure of our government occurred. The person who had directed the flow of town affairs had been removed and even though the formal structure provided for a replacement in the position, the informal power structure did not. This caused a power grab between a number of individuals. I believe that Ms. Lovejoy attempted to fill that void, but she was not chairman. Steve Eldridge attempted to acquire more authority in his position as Town Manager. Jim Rinaldo attempted to fulfil his duties as chairman, despite both of them.This caused a nunber of problems we won't get into here. However, it lead to Mr. Rinaldo not running and Ms. Lovejoy being defeated by Frank DiConzo and Brad Adley. The choices available in that election included two people who were highly involved in the turmoil, and two who were not. Many knew Mr. Adley as a friendly businessman who has ties to Black Mountain and other organizations. They saw Mr. DiConzo as a community minded referee with experience on the school board. This was more attractive to them than the alternative. (BASICALLY AGREE)

In this past election, the incumbants Greg Buccina and Mark Belanger were up for re-relection. However, Mr. Cameron used name recognition to sweep the ballot leaving Mr. Buccina and Mr. Belanger to compete for the remaining position. (AGREE.) Despite voting in concert with Mr. DiConzo and Mr. Boivin, and a few mistakes along the way Mr. Belanger was well respected by some and liked by many. He maintained a strong level of support from the church community. (AGREE.) Mr. Buccina who had been chairman, did not present well in the position. He often stated that he was confused by the rules and often appeared annoyed by opposing views. Many people recalled how he and Mr. Belanger had run together in their first election, and then run against each other for re-election. These factors caused enough citizens to vote against Mr. Buccina for him to not return. (COMPLETELY DISAGREE. BELANGER RECEIVED ONLY 38 MORE VOTES THAN BUCCINA. BUCCINA LOST BECAUSE HE DIDN'T CAMPAIGN, DIDN'T PUT UP A SIGN AND DIDN'T SHOW UP AT THE POLLS TO PUMP THE FLESH UNTIL EVENING AND SEEMED BURNT OUT.) As for the other two candidates, Jason Thompson was alligned with Ron Theriault at the time, which lost him votes. (DISAGREE - HE WAS UNKNOWN.) Jeremy Vashaw was essentially an unknown AGREE. who didn't work hard enough to introduce himself to the community. (SUBJECTIVE OPINION - I DON'T KNOW)

When we look at the current board, Mr. Belanger and Mr. DiConzo are seen as a watchdogs, keeping an eye on the budget and stamping out wasteful spending. (BY WHOM? SELF-APPOINTED?) Mr. Adley is seen as a represenative of the business community and recreation. (SOUNDS LIKE A FUN GUY.) Mr. Cameron is seen as a monitor to assure that the board follows the rules of government. Mr. Boivin is the referee who keeps things from getting out of hand when things get feisty. (OK, RIGHT...LOL...)

The formal power structure shows the board as a unit being in charge of the town. (WRONG, THE BOARD ANSWERS TO THE PEOPLE.) However, whenever you have a majority who have similar views, and mistrust between board members causing a lack of communication leading to comprimise, you will see the appearance of the majority being the informal power structure. While this is preferable to having a single person as the center of power, it is not healthy for the community. (AGREE.) As much as I like Mr. Boivin, I believe our town would do better with a person who is more moderate between the two viewpoints. (STRONGLY AGREE.) The perceived "three amigos" have done their job by bringing a certain level of change to our community. (I GUESS I AGREE? SORT OF? NOT REALLY? BUT AT WHAT COST???!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Mr. Cameron and Mr. Adley have done their job by keeping it from going too far. Now it is time for the voters to complete the process and elect someone who can make decisions on "both sides of the isle". (AGREE AND AMEN!)

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Post by Timeout on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:05 pm

Okay, and now we're really off-topic here, suppose Boivin considers chairman of the board to be the pinnacle of his career and doesn't run. Would that make DiConzo the chair? Can anyone respond and somehow make that back into the topic of Obama's message?

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Post by 911Dispatcher on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:07 pm

"They saw Mr.
DiConzo as a community minded referee with experience on the school
board. " Sorry but anyone in the referee/sports/school who knew DiConzo should have known better.

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Post by KevinNSaisi on Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:15 pm

Timeout wrote:Okay, and now we're really off-topic here, suppose Boivin considers chairman of the board to be the pinnacle of his career and doesn't run. Would that make DiConzo the chair? Can anyone respond and somehow make that back into the topic of Obama's message?

Regardless if Mr. Boivin runs, a new Chairman and Vice Chairman are selected in June.

The link to Mr. Obama's message comes in the attitude of working across the isle, so to speak. What we need is someone who can take two strong willed groups, and unify them toward one goal. That goal being Rumford's future. The problem lies in there being different visions and different views of how to proceed. Previous board members thought that linking the fire station with the municipal building would bring us prosperity. Some believe that costly walking paths will do the job. Others believe in repairing our infastructure. The question becomes, how far do we go and how do we pay for it?

Just like Mr. Obama, the town leadership has many challenges to tend to. The cumlative mess over the past 20 years has put us in a situation of deteriorating infastructure with decreased tax revenue. In the current economy, it is difficult to imagine that we would be able to build our tax base. With the mill's taxes dropping annually, we will need to find revenue from somewhere else if we are to maintain taxes at a level conducive to the fiscal needs of our community. Meanwhile, we have citizens pushing for a new fire station, ambulance facility, library, and community center. If we continue with the negative tone and attitudes, we will not prosper as a town. If Mr. Obama is capable of bringing together a bi-partisan alliance on the national level, we certainly should be capable of overcoming the relatively mild disagreements in our town.

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Post by Timeout on Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:29 pm

Okay, mostly agree with everything you said. As for negative tone and attitudes, these are the result of unresolved conflict that continue to grow and grow...taken separately one might say they are relatively mild disagreements, collectively they are not mild in any way.

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Post by Timeout on Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:32 pm

PS - Thanks for linking me back up...I don't think I could have done it... confused

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